The latest photos of work at the Keyte Smith Locomotive Works.  It’s been another busy day, and tomorrow the chimney will be fitted and other minor work will be carried out.  We need to agree timings for transport and we look forward to seeing No. 2013 Prince George arriving at Crewe where she belongs.  She will be on public display at Crewe Heritage Centre from 1st July to the end of September.

Thanks to you, our supporters for making this possible.

Terry McMenamin

26th June 2023



October Newsletter now available.

We’re now making our October Newsletter generally available to all to download. This was sent out to our supporters and friends in October. You will require Adobe reader installed to view the document. If you don’t have it installed (and most people do), you can download it for free here: Adobe Reader

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Charity status of the Trust and other matters

While this is just a minor update to our news section this time around, it’s a significant step for the trust. The LNWR George the Fifth Steam Locomotive Trust has successfully achieved registered charitable status and has been entered onto the Register of Charities with the Registered Charity Number 1153991.

The higher status as a Reigstered Charity means we achieve a higher profile and are subject to a more rigorous operating regime supervised by the Charities Commission. In short this should help give the public confidence in the way the charity conducts its affairs and it may help the Trust to access grants from elsewhere. Only about half the charities in the UK are scrutinised solely by HMRC, the top half in terms of income have the additional prestige of being assessed by the Charities Commission.

In other news, we would like to take this opportunity to being to our members and readers, the little railway that could – the marvellous Wells and Walsingham Light Railway coursing its way through the idyllic countryside of north Norfolk from the seaside haven of Wells Next-to-the-Sea through to the picturesque and historic hamlet of Walsingham, which was a site of medieval pilgrimmage. The members of the Wells and Walsingham Light Railway have been great supporters of our endeavours and we in turn, are great supporters of them. Beyond significant donations, Richard Coleby who is the designer of their latest new-build Garrett, has been assisting us with the evaluation of the LNWR’s George’s Joy Valve gear. You might recall that we introduced him back in February in a post which can be found here.

The Wells & Walsingham Light Railway was born out of one man’s passionate dream, hard work and sheer determination. Lt. Cmdr. Roy Francis had already built the mile long 10¼” gauge Beach railway at Wells. In 1979 he started to construct the WWLR on the four miles of old Great Eastern track bed from Wells to Walsingham. Work was completed in 1982 and on 6th April services began on schedule making it the longest 10¼” narrow gauge steam railway in the world.

We heartily recommend the WWLR for an enjoyable day out with family, friends or for whatever society or organisation you might belong to. The WWLR accepts group bookings and a wide variety of refreshments are available from Christine’s Station Buffet at Wells Station. Whilst visiting, you might consider making a donation or volunteering for this wonderful and unique little railway. Information on the WWLR and how to get there can be found here.

Lastly, we hope to send out a newsletter soon and make further announcements about the build and the next stage of construction. We humbly ask you to tell your friends and colleagues about us. Help spread the word. The more supporters, the quicker the progress.

December Newsletter

Last but not least for 2012, here is the December newsletter, which went out to our followers and supporters over a week ago and is now being made publicly available. This provides a break-down of the current status of the project along with plans beyond the fabrication of the smokebox door.

The newsletter is in PDF format, which requires Adobe Reader to view. If you can’t view the newsletter, download Adobe Reader from here.

The newsletter can be downloaded here: LNWRGeorgeV_Dec2012_Newsletter (left click to view and right click to download and save.)

The world didn’t come to an end today so we still have an engine to build. With your support 2013 will be an exciting year!

Steaming ahead!

Slipping this in before Christmas, we’re thrilled to announce that after a long and extensive process we’ve selected Keyte Smith Ltd. of Bingham, Nottinghamshire as the supplier for the outer smokebox door and the contract for the work is currently being drawn up.

Work will commence first thing in the new year. Meanwhile you can support the project with a donation to help speed us along to fabricating the next part. A link to the page on how you can assist can be found at the top of this site. As announced in our latest newsletter we’re in the process of looking into the plates for the front part of the frames.

Further details regarding this and the pending outer smokebox door fabrication will be published here early in the new year. Until then we wish all our followers, supporters and readers a safe and joyous Christmas and a enjoyable and prosperous new year.

2013 will be an exciting year for the project and we want to thank all our supporters in 2012 for helping to get us to where we are today. Thanks to you we’ve come a long way in a short space of time. With your further support 2013 will prove to be a year of substantial progress.

John ‘Wiggy’ Wigston.

Our good friend, John Wigston aka ‘Wiggy’ is an accomplished artist with a fascination for transport in all its forms but specifically John has had an abiding passion for railways since he was a lad. John has kindly painted a marvellously evocative scene of old Euston on behalf of the trust. It shows two ‘Georges’ waiting on platform for departure at Euston on an overcast day.

We hope to make further announcements about this wonderful painting shortly but in the meantime we thought we’d share it with you. We think it perfectly captures the spirit of the old ‘Premier Line‘ in its twilight years and the handsome and purposeful lines of the Georges. Sadly we can’t rebuild Euston (although there is a move to rebuild the Propylaeaum, otherwise famously and affectionately known as the Euston Arch – a move that we in the Trust wholeheartedly support) but with your help, we can certainly build a new George the Fifth!

Two Georges awaiting depature from Euston

In other news, if you’re a member or a ‘Friend of George‘, we expect to have the next newsletter ready by the end of November. We’re also currently seeking tender on the fabrication of the smokebox door and hope to have an announcement about this soon. Trustee Paul Hibberd will be appearing in front of the U3A (University of the Third Age) engineers in Hertford this Saturday to give a presentation on the build and Saturday week, we will be appearing at the LNWR Society to present progress on the build. Busy times!

Our next newsletter.

In case you were wondering what has happened to our monthly newsletters from our Chairman, Bruce Nixon, we hope to have the next one ready in November and in it a substantial announcement on the fabrication side of things. No promise and details and negotiations a still in flux but here’s hoping we can inform all our supporters and followers of some of the developments behind the scenes.

Remember too, that we’ll be manning a stall at the GCR in Loughborough on the 7th October. We hope to see you there!


46233 Duchess of Sutherland (2012) vs 1662 Deerhound (circa 1912)

This short article is intended to give you an idea of the power and speed that the George the Fifth class was capable of in service on the ‘mountainous’ section of the West Coast Main Line, rather than a contest of ‘which is best’. The runs in comparison are 46233 Duchess of Sutherland on the Royal Scot PMR tour from Crewe to Carlisle on 9 June this year (reported in Steam Railway magazine, issue 404, p.81) and 1662 on the Crewe to Carlisle portion of the 10am Euston to Glasgow express circa 1912 (reported on p.89 of O S Nock’s book ‘The Precursor Family’).

Firstly one must put both runs into context and perspective. 46233 was taking a moderate load of 380 gross tons, 1662 was taking a load of 370 tons gross. So the loads are broadly comparable, perhaps even more so given the rolling resistance of the stock in use a hundred years ago. Secondly it is not entirely straightforward to ascertain what timing points Nock was using. For example was his ‘Shap summit’ the modern milepost thirty seven and a quarter, and his Tebay (the old station) appears to be half a mile south of the modern ‘Tebay North’. Thirdly 46233 stops in Carnforth loop for water (roughly 0.31 miles South of Carnforth Station), 1662 was probably doing around 65mph at this point and does not stop at Carnforth. So precise comparison is not possible but it does give a good indicator of the George’s performance. We can use 46233 as the benchmark (albeit a very high one!) being one of the most consistent and higher performing engines ever to grace British railways.

From Carnforth to Oxenholme verifies the above statement, 46233 from a standing start passed Oxenholme in 16.57, whereas 1662 took just 13.34, this was due to passing Carnforth at speed. Having troughs en route it was unnecessary to stop for water, unlike with mainline tours nowadays. The Oxenholme to Grayrigg section, with the two miles of 1 in 173 on the ascent to Grayrigg shows performance one would expect of both engines, 46233 took just 8.56 compared with the 11.20 of 1662. The speeds of both engines were clocked, 47mph for 46233 and a minimum of 32mph for 1662 in passing Grayrigg. 46233 then takes 5.25 from Grayrigg to Tebay (old station) as against 5.44 for Deerhound and so passing through the Lune Valley things would have been pretty much neck and neck (and would Deerhound have been picking up water on Tebay troughs).

From Tebay (old station) it is 5.5 miles to Shap summit and not surprisingly it was here that Sutherland pulled ahead, gaining 2.08 on the George, taking 6.38 as against 8.46. So the total time for Sutherland was 37.05 for the 31.2 miles from the loop as against 39.44 for Deerhound (for the 31.4 miles Nock quotes from Carnforth station to the summit).

This was a very fine performance for the George, but not one that was out of character. For the 59 ton 1662 with a comparable load shows an incredible performance from such a small engine with only 175lb boiler pressure available, but it did have the benefits of high temperature superheat and long-travel piston valves. 1662’s average speed throughout was a striking 47.3 mph and the average drawbar horsepower seems to have in the region of 950.

Taking all the factors together, I think it is a fascinating comparison between a quality climb of Shap on a Scottish express achieved in the conditions applicable around a hundred years ago and an excellent steam performance in today’s conditions, and the experience taken as a whole is a surprisingly close run thing – and in the absence of these plucky little Georges it is pretty clear the West Coast main line is missing something sensational. If you would like to keep updated with progress and become a ‘Friend of George’ click here and fill out the form.

If you would like to donate click here for the forms, or donate via Paypal here. If you have skills that you think would be beneficial please let us know.

By Tom Mainprize and Paul Hibberd.

LNWR GEORGE THE FIFTH STEAM LOCOMOTIVE TRUST 62 High Street, Buntingford United Kingdom, SG9 9AH


As well as being a member of the LGFSLT, Tom is a volunteer with (4)6233 and The Princess Royal Class Locomotive Trust

Deerhound at ShrewsburyDeerhound piloting The Life Guardsmen462333 Duchess of Sutherland at Carlisle

June Newsletter

Our June Newsletter – a quick round-up of the events over the last month, including our stall at Railfest in York, from the 8th to the 10th June.


May Newsletter.

Click for our May Newsletter outlining the achievement of charity status, discussions with interested parties and the promise of regular donations over the next 5 years from an anonymous benefactor, to match the trust’s own fundraising efforts.